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March 20, 2010

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Susanna Schick

true, sanctimonious pricks of any stripe are unbearable. how ever did you survive in Berkeley as long as you did? :-)

I've been thinking about the population issue for years, and it's part of the reason I chose to volunteer as a high school speaker for Planned Parenthood. Americans should be having fewer kids than anyone, the way we gobble up resources. So I did my best to convince kids to at least wait till after college to start families.

The truly interesting problem facing us is not how do we preserve resources for future generations, but how do we do so when our whole worldview/economy is built on MORE. Without selling MORE, companies are punished. How can they thrive if we consume less?

I want to find a way for this to happen. As much as some people like to go "oooh, evil corporations..." let's not forget, they are employing us, either directly or indirectly. Capitalism works, it's just that it's discovering that things will need to change if we want our grandchildren (rather, Your grandchildren) to have the same or better quality of life we enjoy.

The first answer seems to be- find new resources (and NOT corn!!!), ie- improve the technology for using recycled materials, and make it so all plastic, polyester, nylon, etc. comes from recycling instead of from the latest barrel of oil.

I guess you could stop thinking about all the annoying rhetoric and sanctimony and just do what you always do- think about the future and what you want it to look like, then go out and shape it.

hvnt

Yeah, what you said! In retrospect, I really like what you did with planned parenthood. I love that you are all about not having kids. The world has enough.

Lars P

Worse than the self-righteousness is that since the driving force of many is to feel "holier than the Joneses", the focus is on things that appear "green" and look good to a casual observer, instead of the often boring and invisible real solutions to real problems.

I very much disagree that "overpopulation" is a problem. At least I haven't seen a definition of the term that makes sense. The areas that most consider overpopulated, are among the least densely populated. The problems they have are due to phenomenally badly organized societies, not the head count.

We're not running out of "resources" in general, and the most valuable resource is humans.

I may sound whiny (my back is KILLING me today) but this is a message of hope. Things are gonna be mostly fine!

Hippy

high horses put off people, regardless of whether someone is telling you you should eat a certain way, worship a certain way, vote a certain way, or use a certain technology. environmentally minded people certainly have no monopoly on being annoying. That doesn't mean, for example, that i'm going to go out and buy a PC or a Zune just because Mac people can be annoying fawning fan-tards.

you are 100% correct about saving the earth. the earth is in no danger. the environment in which life evolved on this planet is. No worries though, you and I ~probably~ won't live to see the most devastating effects of that. It would be different if our environments were smaller. we could be like yeast then, and drown in our own feces without taking out a complex global system of dependencies.... but i diverge into annoying territory ;)

My personal take comes for a Long Now view. We're here because of the struggles our ancestors endured and the lessons they learned through thousands of years of trial and error. the decisions you and i make today don't magically get a pass. The future always rests on the shoulders of the present. owning that responsibility is a personal choice - one that I choose to honor.

I've thrown in with the permaculture people because they're not touchy feely hippies - at least not the ones i know in los angeles. it's about design. it's about working smart instead of working hard. it's about do-acracy. it's about radical self-reliance. we're not waiting for government to fix shit.

if an element in a system doesn't serve more than one function it's probably not the best solution. if a function isn't being met by more than one element, your system isn't robust - it's a house of cards. if you're generating waste in your system, you're a fool and you're wasting money (energy). there's no such thing in nature. everything is utilized by another element in the system. that's just plain using your noggin. ain't nothing hippie-dippie about it.

example: we live in a desert. $billions and a significant portion of our electricity usage goes to pumping water into and around the city. we spend $billions more building and maintaining a system to divert rainwater to the ocean as quickly as possible. it doesn't take a genius to realize that's just plain stupid. the same amount of money and work spent creating infiltration points in parking lots and homes solves the storm water issue, while alleviating some of the import needs. then you're done. no more effort or money is required for that problem.

but don't stop there. as a homeowner or business owner, if you build a system that can collect, filter, and store that rainwater (it's surprisingly easy) you decrease the amount of money you spend on water. consider that income. if you reduce your water needs (a lawn in los angeles can use 200,000 gallons per year - that's $800 - for something most people don't use), again, consider that income - better than income - once the system is in place, you expend no energy to receive the benefits.

Now, if you have such a system, and you've reduced your needs, viola! you've actually become radically self-sufficient instead of that faux version in the black rock desert that depends on you spending a shit-ton of money at Wal Mart. if disaster strikes or a terrorist slips something into the water supply you don't care. you've become your own master. it really is seditious, which is why it's so resisted by governments and big corps that lose if people are no longer dependent on them.

This is why we're loaning money to the nuclear industry instead of to homeowners and small businesses to purchase distributed solar, wind, & other clean energy tech. the latter investment results in self-sufficiency. once it's paid for, you no longer need to work for your energy needs. the former keeps you a slave to the energy company. they make the profits and donate a portion to the re-election campaign.

Almost every area of concern touted by environmentalists has similar solutions. ones that you don't need to wait for the government to fix, if you just think smarter. in almost every case, you're saving money. the proper way to think of it is you're earning money without a lot of work.

The bottom line, though, is i don't give a shit what reason people change their habits to smarter ones. if they want to show off their "greenness," more power to them. it affects me. law of supply and demand: each person who sits in traffic in their giant SUV commuting to work instead of buying an economy car for that task or using public transportation increases demand for a limited resource and drives up the cost i pay. i don't worry about it too much though, because i'm doing what i can to live smart, reduce my expenses, and reduce my dependencies. radical self-reliance, baby.

Glad you're thinking about this stuff and being honest, heather. it's important stuff for a future futurist :)

Hippy

and now... a test: see if you can get beyond the touchy feely interviewer and marvel at the radical self-sufficiency of this self-sustaining robust food factory on 1/5 an acre in portland. she's sticking it to the man ;)

http://livingmandalas.ning.com/video/tabor-tilth-permaculture-in

Susanna Schick

Lars, you're right in that the countries with the highest population growth rate have a governance problem more than a consumption problem. It takes about 11 Ethiopian kids to consumer as much food, fuel, etc. as 1 American kid. So even though the US birth rate is barely above replacement level, it's too high.

However, over the years, my POV has shifted away from trying to fight human nature (breeding) toward finding ways we can make all that stuff with less stuff. ie- use more recycled materials, and try to move toward zero waste in manufacturing products for mass consumption. But then we still have the growing water crisis, and of course the planet's capacity for recycling water has been greatly diminished by our impact as a species.

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